The first was hard as a rock, think I will use it as a hockey puck this winter. The second was very good, feels like a wax should. A lot more oil and solvent in it than I would have fist thought. I actually used the second attempt on the fender of my truck, smooth as glass, now we are getting somehwhere. I will continue once I receive my scale, but I have a very good idea of the formulation. more to come